Lead RRP - Reality Check

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As you're probably aware, the Environmental Protection Agency has been getting some criticism, and some political pressure, around the newly-adopted lead RRP rule. EPA has now offered contractors something of a reprieve, postponing the date by which contractors will be required to get trained and certified in rule compliance. They've thrown the industry a bone, but not much of one — they're giving you some time to get trained, but you still have to comply with the containment practices as of now, even if you're not trained yet (go figure).

But some contractors have already been to their one-day training, and some of those are starting to take on jobs where they're using the practices they've been taught. I noticed an example the other day: Illinois contractor Holly Bertsch, of Taylor'd Home, blogged about a day on the job where the crew is tearing out plaster after applying dust containment all around the job ("More Reality about Working with the RRP Rule (It’s Hot and Uncomfortable!" by Holly Bertsch). This link loads kind of slowly, by the way — but Holly writes, "Anyhow, one of the reasons this demolition is taking so long is because we are so hot and uncomfortable in the house.  Anyone who has torn out plaster knows how much fun that isn’t, but it is even worse in the suits, and the masks, and the heat."

My comment to Holly was that I think it's possible to ventilate a work area and still maintain containment if you have the right equipment. Some years ago, in connection with a story for JLC, I went on site to take photos where a crew from IAQ Technologies, a contractor with a specialty in indoor environmental work, was doing a full-on mold remediation job. These guys set up a HEPA-filter-equipped exhaust blower within their contained workspace, and they put on full-body Tyvek suits with hoods and booties. They used full-face respirators sealed to their Tyvek suits — the kind of respirator that's equipped with its own positive-pressure filtered blower, with a power pack that hooks to your belt. Each piece of drywall they pulled off the wall went straight into a plastic bag; then they vacuumed the air out of the bags and sealed the bags with duct tape. My whole gallery of photos from that day is now posted up at this link (pardon the low quality images — 2003 was a different era in digital photography). Below here, you can see the guys suiting up, then busting off sheets of moldy drywall, sticking each piece in the bags, vacuuming the air out of the bags, and sealing each bag with duct tape. The box with the duct coming out is their HEPA exhaust ventilator.

Donning gloves

Checking face mask

Bagging drywall

Sealing bag

HEPA exhaust ventilator

There was enough ventilation in the space to keep it reasonably comfortable, and the powered blowers also supplied a steady stream of cool, filtered air to the facemasks. I don't remember now if it was a hot summer day, though; but in any case, this would seem to be the best way to keep the jobsite both safe and comfortable.

When I say "best," however, I don't mean "cheapest." In the past, remodelers didn't need to treat every demo job as a hazmat situation. And the actual EPA rules for remodelers probably don't really reach the level of hazmat containment either; but they're close enough that in some cases, you'd be on the fence about whether to go whole hog. At some point, professionals may as well bite the bullet and start applying full environmental containment technology.

However ... what planet are we living on, where every remodel job is a hazmat site? The problem I have with this situation is, I don't know of any rational basis for this level of response to lead paint in remodeling — at least, not across the board like this. Every contractor, on every job, applying this level of containment? Has the EPA really done its due diligence in connecting the dots between the supposed danger and their required remedy? I doubt it. The way they want this thing now, people have to plastic off rooms to install a lighting receptacle or to replace a duct register. Does this make any sense?

Here's a report posted on the Centers for Disease Control website about a study that was done in 2006 and 2007 by officials at the New York State Department of Health, the National Center for Environmental Health, and the CDC ("Children with Elevated Blood Lead Levels Related to Home Renovation, Repair, and Painting Activities --- New York State, 2006--2007," by EM Franko, DrPH, JM Palome, New York State Dept of Health. MJ Brown, ScD, CM Kennedy, DrPH, Lead Poisoning Prevention Br, Div of Environmental Hazards and Health Effects, National Center for Environmental Health; LV Moore, PhD, EIS Officer, CDC).

With a high concentration of older housing units, New York has a particular concern for lead paint contamination. So they took a closer look. I think this study is intended to support a rule like the EPA's RRP rule; but I don't read it that way, myself. Look at this: according to the data reported here, of 972 children with elevated blood lead levels, RRP activities were a likely cause in 14% (139 kids).

That data in itself is a little dubious to the skeptical eye, by the way, because it's all based on questionnaires. If remodeling occurred, the remodeling was assumed to be the cause; but it might not have been. Recently, scientists have developed a way to analyze the actual lead isotopes in the blood and compare it with lead in the environment and figure out exactly which lead got into which blood. Nothing like that was done here. But forget that -- assume that part is true, and 14% of the kids with elevated blood lead levels, got them from being around remodeling work. Read on: the report then says, "Contractors performed a small percentage (6.5%) of RRP work related to elevated BLLs in New York state during 2006--2007. Resident owners or tenants performed 66% of this work."

So if 14% of the lead poisoning was actually related to remodeling work, and if 6% of that 14% involved work done by contractors ... you do the math, okay? I'm a little slow with percents. But I think ... okay, let me open up Xcel. ... I get ... Oh, wait, I got a better idea. I'll use Google. Cut and paste. Result: "(6%) times (14%) = 0.0084" ... Yeah, I thought it might be a small number but — Point oh oh eight four. Hm.

So because some kids have elevated blood lead (the report says, "an estimated 250,000 children remain at risk for exposure to harmful lead levels in the United States"); and because to the best of our knowledge contractors are involved in zero point eight four percent of those cases (an estimated, according to Google Math — 0.0084 times 250,000 = 2100 kids); because, I say, of a maybe risk to those 2,100 kids nationwide, the EPA now is the boss of every contractor in the country. EPA is going to regulate all our jobs, because we (or, that is, some of us) caused less than one percent of their problem. What are they going to do about the 66% of the remodeling work that wasn't by us? Well, this paper suggests, "more public outreach and education is needed to raise awareness." Yeah. Okay.

I don't want to jump to conclusions. You could say that I'm pushing these statistics a little too far. But what's EPA doing? In a recent interview, a New England EPA official said that reducing the risk of lead poisoning to children would be worth "any price." Any price? Really? Okay, why don't we just pull out of Afghanistan and take that half a trillion dollars and spend it on lead abatement? Should we take the $20 billion BP just escrowed to pay for its oil spill, and spend that on lead in remodeling instead? Not gonna happen, of course. See, whenever somebody says something is worth paying "any price", you know they are avoiding the hard work and discomfort of comparing the actual price to the actual value; and they are probably not bothering to even establish that there is any connection at all between the effort and the supposed goal. You also can bet that you, and not they, are the ones who get to pay "any." "Price" means comparing and deciding. The phrase "worth any price" is nonsense. There is no such thing as "any price." The man can't be serious.

The CDC study does not tell us what proportion of the remodeling work on older houses in the catchment area of this analysis was done without exposing anyone to lead — jobs done by that great unknown control group of remodelers who absolutely do not need EPA to get all up in their business. My guess was, a lot of professional remodeling was done in New York in 2006 and 2007 without harming anyone, even in houses with old lead paint. In those cases, EPA's rule accomplishes nothing other than to create cost and aggravation. Those particular pros don't need EPA involved — they're already good. You know, there are a lot of professional remodelers working in older houses who actually run a clean jobsite. I've certainly seen it. But then, I don't work in a government lab or at some university. I go out and look at jobs.

But then on the other hand — we know that complying with EPA's requirements takes time and costs money. We don't know, really, whether it reduces the actual lead exposure of that small proportion of the population that is at risk from professional remodeling jobs; there is no data to prove that it does. But suppose it does cut that six percent down to, say, five percent. Suppose it cuts it down to zero, even — at the same time, it raises the cost for everyone of getting your remodel done by a pro. Well, unless EPA manages to educate the customer not just into awareness, but also into affluence, some customers are going to decide not to hire us, and they're going to do the jobs themselves, the way they can afford to and as well as they know how — without the plastic, without the dust masks, and without the HEPA vacs. Maybe without any vacs. Maybe with a broom and a dustpan. You're going to make that 66% DIY group, the group that does most of the damage, bigger. Blood lead levels are one thing; and, I don't want this blog post to get way too long, but, DIY remodelers go the the emergency room a lot. DIY remodelers are a hazard in their own right. The law of unintended consequences applies to the EPA as well as to everyone else. There is no safe lunch. When people do their own work with hammers and saws, people get hurt.

But let's stay on the narrow topic. If the nation cleans up a bunch of professional jobs that are already clean, at the "any" price of pushing some customers out of the pro market and into the DIY category to do their own dirty work — bottom line, will we in fact reduce the number of kids with elevated blood lead levels?

Nobody knows the answer to that question. And so really, as public policy, we don't know whether this rule has "any" net benefit to the country, or not. All we know so far, is that it has a cost. Not "any" cost; "some" cost.

Politically, on the other hand, who does it benefit? I don't know the answer to that either. I guess I could ask "anyone." Maybe I'll ask my new Massachusetts Senator, Scott Brown. He's someone now.

I bet, in his heart of hearts, Scott Brown loves this rule. But that's a topic for another blog on a different site by some other guy.

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

Comments (32 Total)

  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 8:00 PM Monday, November 01, 2010

    has anyone calculated the harm to the environment caused by all this plastic being dumped and from the manufacturing process this could be an environmental disaster when i took the course i noticed most people pushing this were making money or benefiting in some way

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 6:22 PM Tuesday, July 20, 2010

    This is from LeadNet: Many of the "old time" lead people know of a journal article published in 2000 called "Lead, Mental Health, and Social Action: A View from the Bridge" by M.P. Dumond that tells about his experiences with lead exposure in Chelsea, MA, and the link to the Mystic-Tobin Bridge. You can read the full text at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1308620 I know many of the adult lead exposures that occur among the workers who are involved in the painting & resurfacing of bridges are difficult to track due to the fact that the workers are often tested outside of their state of residence while they are out on a job. By the time the local health department determines an address for the person, and get employer information, the workers have moved on to the next job. If you are lucky, the BLL and demographics for the patient and the employer get forwarded to the home state for surveillance.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 6:18 PM Tuesday, July 20, 2010

    For a bit of information on lead affecting learning, check this out: Lead Poisoning Linked to Learning Problems in Detroit Detroit Free Press By Ed Brayton http://michiganmessenger.com/author/ebrayton 5/17/10 For posting by: Anonymous | Time: 3:57 PM Tuesday, July 13, 2010 RRP does apply to volunteers. The volunteers may not get in trouble per say; however, the agency/painter/NGO that is ultimately responsible for project(s)/jbos(s) will have to deal with consequences.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 7:20 PM Monday, July 19, 2010

    Thank you Ted. Excellent article. I did get certified, although I still don't know precisely how and when all of this really applies/ works out? A note to the posting by Anonymous 12:25 PM Friday, July 09, 2010 - page 8 of http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/steps.pdf was an "Opt-out" option that had a lot of specific requirements that also had to be met. But, per http://www.epa.gov/lead/new.htm July 6th entry, "someone" just took that option away - we're just not doing enough apparently(!), even though we have no real idea what we're supposed to do here. Here's something interesting (no wonder those in Washington DC and the other legislative and regulative locations throughout the USA can't get anything done). I asked the EPA's Help Desk where I might find out about this new regulation coming into effect (this was last January), and here is their response: " The final rule entitled Lead; Renovation, Repair, and Painting Program can be found on Regulations.gov by searching for document ID EPA-HQ-OPPT-2005-0049-0936. On page 21703 of the PDF version of the rule you will see some certification requirements in the third column. In addition, please visit EPA's Renovation, Repair and Painting web page at http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm" Did you notice the page number referred to? Does anyone have time to consume and understand this much BS, plus figure out how it's to apply (so they don't get a ridiculous $32,500 fine, per incident, per day, per ??????)? Now, does anyone really not care about children that much that they would intentionally desire to hurt them? They are hardcore criminals and should be strung up. And, are we to think those in the EPA do care about children that much? By-the-way, did anyone notice that those in the EPA, civil government bodies, etcetera are only concerned with the "fittest." That is what their world-view states, for the most part: "that the fittest will survive." (Macro-evolution in any form - if this preposterous idea holds any merit, then who cares what we do, for the "fittest will survive" anyway, and be better off for it!) No one has even considered the incredible contradiction (hypocrisy) that oozes forth of the idea that our "children" are so precious only after they're born. Ah, but again, another topic for another day, for another guy. Or, is it? World-view determines every thought and every decision of every day for every person with the capacity to think. Chew on that for awhile. Then, get back to me if you think you have some greater reality. Aren't you glad you're alive, and can think? Are you with me on this? RDy

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 3:57 PM Tuesday, July 13, 2010

    Funny.....any work done by volunteers do not need to comply. I asked! They did not need to comply. Children were present. I guess volunteers are expendible!

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  • Posted by: KevinS | Time: 7:08 PM Monday, July 12, 2010

    In Wisconsin they went a step further than EPA did as far as testing for lead. The only thing I think they did here is make all legitamate contractors not be able to get this work because the state is not enforcing it so all this kind of work will go to the uninsured remodelers. They will not get certified and trained. I don't think I will ever do a small window replacement or siding job again!

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 10:20 AM Saturday, July 10, 2010

    so the other big question is. Is the EPA giving out grant money for us smaller firms to purchase the testing machines and HEPA filter vaccuums and tools???? Just another way to hurt the smaller scale honest companies, and the big companies with deep pockets can keep sticking it to the customers with their highly overpriced services...

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 12:25 PM Friday, July 09, 2010

    As usual, some ignorant loud-mouth lobbyists used "children" to promote whatever they are paid to promote. You can justify anything using "children". How about the safety of children of those contractors who are going to be out of jobs because of this joke of a regulation? Those children will grow up in low-income households eating cheap crappy foods. Why don't we ban driving cars, stop all air traffic and factories and burning any kind of fuel because they pollute the air and water and our children cannot grow up healthy in such environment? How about mandating natural foods in schools instead of unhealthy, chemical-ridden snacks and McDonalds? They wouldn't do that because it's easier to pick on the defenseless small contractor then make a big noise about "how good we did protecting children and environment". There is no doubt that this regulation will increase costs dramatically. No one will be willing to work fully-clothed in summer heat for cheap. Homeowners, get ready for price hikes. The first poster "ehrp" is a hypocrite. He is blaming his painter for contaminating his property. In fact, he hired the painter and never told him he wanted lead containment set up, because even though he cries about it here, he is too cheap to pay for it. He probably priced out the job without telling anyone about lead containment because he knew from his own experience it would cost him an arm and a leg. I think it was specifically because it was taking him so long to do it he decided to hire a pro. I bet you many homeowners will be trying to pull the "oh, by the way, I want lead containment" on contractors after the price is agreed upon. Until lead containment is common practice, I strongly recommend to you, fellow tradesmen, to thoroughly describe what will be done on the project and clearly state in your contracts that anything not directly described is extra work. Collect your 40% deposit and make sure it's non-refundable if they terminate after signing. After collecting and cashing the deposit, make them sign an acknowledgement letter and a waiver for lead contaminantion and its consequences. Make them contractually responsible for any fines you incur from EPA. My contracts clearly state that if they terminate for any reason after deposit is collected that deposit is non-refundable because I'm suddenly out of work and I need to be compensated. This will effectively punish those who tried to make you agree to work in full lead containment at no-containment price. They will immediately want their money back when you tell them that the lead containment they remembered mentioning ONLY AFTER signing the contract is extra work, at which point you'll refuse and keep the deposit. If they ask about containment right before signing, mention that it's extra work. You won't get a deposit, but you won't have to work for free. Lastly, have a clause in your contracts that any work not described but required by code or other regulation is extra work and refusal to reimburse for it is considered termination by client. It is important not to do any lead work without containment. Don't even open that can of worms under current law. You job is to set up your contracts and negotiation process in such a way that you either get paid for containment or don't work at all.

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  • Posted by: ehrp | Time: 6:00 PM Thursday, July 08, 2010

    Very interesting article! First, I’d like to share a quick story. I used to work for a nonprofit in Denver, whose mission was to provide housing for lower income families. While I worked there, were remodeled two older buildings –one dated back to the late 1800s and the other one early 1920s. One was a two story building with four condos. The second one was a two story building w/ two condos. I did not know the hazards of lead at the time. We demolished walls in many instances, removed windows, removed plaster, removed painted trim, removed painted doors, and, as many of you know, there was dust everywhere. In many cases we had to leave the work area because the cloud of dust was so large and heavy. My next job required that I obtain a Lead Based Paint (LBP) certification to do LBP inspection -it was a city government job, not for profit. In the training I learned all the risks of LBP and was surprised about all the hazards, which include: slow brain development in children, decrease in motor skills in children, loss of sex drive and/or capability, joint pains, high blood pressure, physical fatigue, etc. Many pregnant women and children are affected by this and do not even realize it. Lead is not a natural occurrence in the body and therefore is poisonous. My wife and I needed to paint the exterior of our 1921 ranch style home. A few weeks after I attended the training, we started the prep work –scraping peeling paint in order to minimize the danger of paint chips flying everywhere, we sprayed areas before scraping. We wore P100 masks, pants and long sleeve shirts, hats, installed plastic on the ground, ten feet away from foundation and twenty feet in each direction of area being worked on. It was a tough job and it took us a while to get it done. We found a painter and we figured he would know about LBP –safety for his employees we figured- so we did not ask any questions. I told my wife about my concerns and told her I was worried about the painter and his practices –the painter had been in business for over 20 years. I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt -big mistake on my part. The painter got started and used drop clothes in some areas. In order to get some surfaces smooth, he used a dry sander. It was windy one day and the paint chips and dust were flying through ought the yard. I asked him to hang plastic from the fascia boards in order to control the paint chips; however, this was toward the end of the job. When the job was done I was really worried and tested the soil around the house. The samples came back very high and that made me very mad, guilty and worried. I had been naïve to not discuss the issue with the painter and now I had problems to deal with. My wife and I had a very young child, and were concerned about her health. So, we started taking off our shoes by the entry doors and asked everyone who came to our house to take them off –no exceptions. Had I not known about LBP, I am certain our daughter would have been poisoned with us not even knowing. The painter could have cared less of the mess he created for me and my family. We continue to live at the same old house, paint is stable, and I am diligent about the no shoe policy in the house. I would like to clarify Mr. Cushman’s comment “…people have to plastic off rooms to install a lighting receptacle or to replace a duct register”. The RRP rule has exceptions to keep in mind. For example, “INTERIOR WORK DISTURBING LESS THAN 6 SQUARE FEET (6 FT²) PER ROOM OF PAINTED SURFACES”; “EXTERIOR WORK DISTURBING LESS THAN 20 SQUARE FEET (20 FT²) OF PAINTED SURFACE”. This exclusion doesn’t apply to window replacement. For too long this issue has not been given the attention is deserves. The same can be said about asbestos. Now, we have many regulations in place -for asbestos- that require specific safety measures to protect not only workers, but also the general public. Leaving safety to the company with no oversight is asking for trouble. As of recent, all you have to do is look at the issues with banks and the investment market. For a long time, may people, including Mr. Greenspan, argued, the market would regulate itself. Look at the mess that got us into. Yes, the RRP rule does require for some safety measure –some not familiar to some contractors. The health of a person is precious, thus cannot not be given a monetary value. I agree, in some areas the costs will be higher than others. Eventually, employers will learn all the safety measures regarding LBP and will no longer put their employees at risk or their clients. If you are too concerned about costs associated with LBP, hire an independent inspector once the contract is signed and find out if there is LBP. If there isn’t any, you don’t have to worry about it, and you don’t have to charge the homeowner extra either. A little bit of planning can go a long way.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 2:36 PM Thursday, July 08, 2010

    I agree that this is a bogus and unnecessary rule, and I have not yet taken the course but I do think that there is some over reaction on the part of the people leaving comments here. Getting out of the business after 20+ years isn't going to help anyone. As a veteran in the business you should be the ones standing up against things like this because you should have the knowlege and reputation to make a difference. Also there is a percentage of pre 1978 houses that are exempt from this rule judging from the booklet that I read. See page 8 http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/steps.pdf So not every job that you do will have to have this extra charge on it.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 9:54 AM Thursday, July 08, 2010

    The reality is that if the DIY group has lead and it really is as bad as EPA says it is will have elevated levels of lead in their system much longer as the do it on nights and weekends leaving the lead dust around for weeks or months instead of days. Did the EPA take that into account when they did their study? Where was their concern for truely lowering the lead in the 66% of the remodels.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 10:30 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Its just another way for gov't to get money out of the public.Whether it be from us contractors or now they put a tax on tanning salons.There are 880,000 registered contractors in USA thats roughly 2.4 billion dollars in license alone.Add to that the training costs and additional material costs you've got a nice cash cow.My question is this when they tore down Yankee stadium in NYC, WHERE WAS THE LEAD CONTAINMENT that place had layers of lead paint.How many people were contaminated then and didn't even know it.They pick on the small guy because they know we don't have the means or money to tie them up in court.This is only the beginning, we the people are about to get f'ed over royally.When you go to the class they should give out vaseline. VOTE IN NOV TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE...

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 10:29 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Its just another way for gov't to get money out of the public.Whether it be from us contractors or now they put a tax on tanning salons.There are 880,000 registered contractors in USA thats roughly 2.4 billion dollars in license alone.Add to that the training costs and additional material costs you've got a nice cash cow.My question is this when they tore down Yankee stadium in NYC, WHERE WAS THE LEAD CONTAINMENT that place had layers of lead paint.How many people were contaminated then and didn't even know it.They pick on the small guy because they know we don't have the means or money to tie them up in court.This is only the beginning, we the people are about to get f'ed over royally.When you go to the class they should give out vaseline. VOTE IN NOV TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE...

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  • Posted by: crtravis55 | Time: 9:21 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Finally someone has put the real perspective on this whole Big Brother EPA and how they have never outright shown what the cost benefit value is. This is the type of story that should get widely publicized to let homeowners know what the EPA has just screwed them into paying hundreds if not thousands of dollars to remedy something that is not a risk to them nor will benefit them in any measurable way. If there is a demonstrable risk, and there is defiantly risk for young kids and pregnant women, then by all means require some sort of RRP or require them to leave the home during remodeling. But for the majority of homeowners where the EPA has not shown that demonstrable risk exists, should not have to foot the bill for zero real value is shown. Remodelers should be pushing their associations to be getting this side of the story to the press so that the public wakes up to whats about to be shoved up their remodeling project by an EPA that has no sense of reality. Good Job Ted.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 9:12 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    The whole thing is a bunch of BS. I've been a self employed remodeler for 28 years. Most homes built before 1978 have already been remodeled atleast once if not twice or move. Anyone who looks at the stats can see this is all a bunch of gov't BS. In 35 years, I've never heard of or have seen on the news any 'lead contamination' as a result of a contractor doing residential work. This is overkill in an industry that is strugling to survive. I think the gov't should be more concerned about some real issues, not this nonsense and about 30 year too late. Every customer I've enlightened about RRP reacts the same way "You've got to be kidding!" The licensing board here is a joke. We all have to pay a fee for all the a-holes that screw up when we renew out license. Some moron was just shown on TV with 19 complaints for taking money and not doing any work, has no license and still running his business, admitting to it on TV. The lawyers are gonna have a field day with this one, saw advertisements as soon as RRP was mandated. Now we are all subject to arbitrary lawsuits everytime someone gets sick after a renovation even if you follow procedure to the letter. So forget about $35 dollar to each job, who was the a-hole who came up with that. The risk alone warrants an additional $350 or more, depending on the job, just for the liability risk we now all face. This law should not apply to private residences.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 9:11 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    The stupidity of the EPA rules are only the begining.Massachusetts is now trying to jump on the wagon and they are really cluless. No ignorant. In Mass to qualify for a $1500.00 credit per apartment the owner or there agent must take the Lead PoisoningPrevention Progra The agent CAN'T be a contractor, it has to be the property owner or be helping the owner as an employee,friend relative or tenant. I smell a rat close by with the lead paint inspectors and deleaders. Yes it is time to unite and tell the politicians to fix this. I tried with my state rep and it is falling on deaf ears. The first customer I told about this after taking the EPA course said they would just do the window job themselves. Nice.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 8:54 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    All excellent comments --- but much too late. Where were our voices when these rules were being considered? As a former high level Congressional staffer and as a former lobbyist I can say with great assurance that the enemy is not necessarily Congress or the EPA. We have been beat by interest groups who know very little about our industry, but who believe they are doing God's work for children's safety. Tehy lobbied and lobbied while we were relatively ignorant and silent. You can be sure they are telling their members about the children's lives they are saving by forcing us to follow their rules. They are the ones who pushed Congress and EPA to regulate our work. I'm sure our respective trade associations and industry groups spoke up, but it was probably too little, too late. (don't blame our trade associations, they simply reflect our fractured industry.) You can be assured that until we organize ourselves, and clean up our industry structure, we will take many hits like this one because our voices are not heard. I shudder to think what cash for caulkers will end up like, being written as it is, in pure ignorance of our industry. There are days I think I should hang up my tools and get back into the lobbying business. Pablo Collins, Kensington MD

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  • Posted by: pauljd99 | Time: 8:46 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    What a wonderful time to hit contractors and customers with more expenses.I have subcontactor friends who were forced to pay outta pocket for class and the license,then the companies they worked for dont have any work for them to go to or the rates are so low why work? And why wasnt this done 20 yrs ago when there was more lead paint around? Just another way for our gov't to get a few more dollars from us.Thanks for the article.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 8:44 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Why don't we worry more about the billions of crude ruining our coastline and deal with this first..... then get to the lead paint that is everywhere in the U.S. of America .....why don't the all of the building depts. who issue the permits verify the EPA certification? not certified NO PERMIT..... pretty simple

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 8:04 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    I have been to all the training and paid the cost to the EPA. I was explaining these new requirements to a possible customer for the work requirements of dealing with old homes. After listening to me the person responded that the public needs to be educated on the hazards of lead by the EPA. Why don't they run ads on TV or educate over 60 minutes. Then let the public decide if this is a process that they what to be part of . Once again special interest rules our lives and feel I have been taken advantage of by this new requirement. California won't even allow you to test for lead without proof from a specialist. I understand that the EPA won't even certify HEPA vacuums. I will more than likely avoid pre 1978 also.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 7:13 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Yes someone at the government was not thinking when they started this whole RRP thing. Yes I took my class and paid the price, and the statement that this ruling will only add a minimum cost to the job is ludicrous. just the cost of plastic bags to haul out plaster in a remodel job is more than that.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 6:50 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Nowhere in the RRP rule does it address and make allowable venting air through a HEPA filtered air scrubber. I'm no lawyer but I would venture to say you are not in compliance and subject to fines if you do so. This is one of the single most ridiculous things about the RRP rule, they now want us to run a 100% dust contained work zone under positive air pressure, and have lest us no legal way to run a negative pressure work environment to contain dust.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 6:38 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Just another extremely poorly thought out and implemented program courtesy of our government!

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 4:41 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Not only is the science lacking, but with the recent removal of the opt out provision, the argument that this is to protect children becomes a suspect. Add this to the intentional mis-representation by the EPA that the rules will only add $35 per job and one begins to wonder who or what special interest was really behind this law. How can one pay for training, pay for company certification, pay for lead test kits (about $4 to $5 per swab and at least 3 are needed for every room) plus plastic (ok we do this anyway) plus tyvek suits, plus tyvek booties, plus respirators, plus doctors certification that every employee is healthy enough to use a respirator, plus HEPTA vacs and negative air machines, plus extra time to do the work, plus, plus, plus..... $35 per job no problem. Oh yes, don't forget insurance. Check out the exclusions in your CGL policy, almost all of them exclude claims related to lead paint....so add a three to five thousand dollars a year to get a supplemental policy. Finally, how do we get inspections in our work areas if only people with respirators, tyvek suits and booties are permitted inside? Will the inspectors provide their own equipment? Shouldn't they get certified as well, since they will be entering and inspecting these work areas. But of course, this is to protect "The Children".... so why are homeowners excluded for these rules, why do these rules only apply to residential and child care facilities and not commercial, industrial or other types of constructon? Don't we all live and work next to, on top of or nearby these facilities and could accidentally ingest a small amount of this very toxic material? Why do these rules apply to working in areas or structures that are vacant when the work is being performed and not occupied until the project is completed? Sorry for the Rant but these rules just ge me going.

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  • Posted by: Tony Calistro | Time: 4:19 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Paul Lesieur’s comment about setting industry standards hits the nail on the head. Building construction and remodeling is a science, all the parts need to work together otherwise the finished product’s performance will never be as it should. Plumbers, Electricians, Doctors, Lawyers, Nurses, Drivers, etc. all need formal instruction and licensing to practice their trade. Yet we permit the novice with a hammer, saw and magnetic sign to open up walls and build structures that could cause some serious damage or loss of life and limb if not done right. Why do we allow people to come into our industry and destroy our trade and reputations? Isn’t it time to raise the bar? To elevate the level of compensation rather than being subjected to the pricing pressures caused by the non-compliant?

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 3:52 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Ted, excellant article. I can only think of one thing that you did not mention. Of the 250,000 children who the EPA claims are at risk, what % of those live in Federal housing? I saw that the figure is around 85%. Now you tell me where the problem is. I think this is all really about revenue enhancement in order to get money to clean up the Feds mess. Vote this Novemeber to preserve small businesses.

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  • Posted by: Fred F | Time: 3:17 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Ted, great post. Finally, someone is using real numbers. The problem exists that the people making the rules don't understand the work being done. The benefactor of more DIY's is the big box lumber chains. Again they donate a lot of $$$ to make things happen. So far the only ones i can see benefitting from this are the trainers, the extra tax generated so the villages and towns now have another way to come after professional remodelers, and politicians because they can say they supported a program to keep kids safe. Meanwhile the Pro Remodeler is having his margins and client base eroded daily.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 2:40 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Just yesterday, I attended the 8 hour class. I had read some articles about the projected cost per job to comply with the rule. To my horror, the $150 that I read about was for other states not California where my business is located. The instructor said that, due to the expense of disposing of the waste, the added cost in California will likely be $500 - $750 per job. I have $520 in course cost and application fee already invested and I am angry because I am now considering not being involved at all with pre-1978 homes. I probably would not have done this if I knew this. I'll predict what will happen. Owners will either do the work themselves, hire a contractor who is willing to risk getting caught not using safe practices and throwing waste in the regular trash, or just not do any work at all. This will cause pre-1978 homes to fall into a dangerous state of disrepair and eventually create mini ghost towns all over the country. I want kids to be safe, but I think the EPA is going about this wrong. I also heard that insurance might be $3000 per year and incidences of people suing contractors may be common place. I too am considering getting out of the remodel business altogether.

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  • Posted by: Premium | Time: 2:35 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    The real culprits are the kids eating paint chips and ingesting lead dust through their daily live. Wouldn't it be more cost effective to outlaw kids and pregnant women from remodel sites? That way the problem is gone. We remodelers can get on with our usual business and not have to run away from our chosen profession. Leave it up to the federal government to really louse stuff up. I wonder how the EPA people and the congressmen are going to like the added cost or scarcity of professionals charging them a premium to remodel their house at whatever the price is it is worth it. Whoever does a remodel for an EPA person ought to charge them P.I.T.A premium!

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 2:13 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    Strange math. If DIYers did 66% and contractors did 6.5%, who did the rest? In any case, this is just another example of our government in action (inaction?). Take heart small businessmen - It could be worse. We could be getting all of the government we pay for.

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  • Posted by: ronrkd | Time: 2:01 PM Wednesday, July 07, 2010

    There is one big problem with your argument. It's logical and makes sense, and you have true facts to back it up, not hyperbole, that would never sell in Washington. Regulation, regulation, regulation, that is the name of the game now. This business isn't fun anymore, after 2o+ years of completing great projects for our customers, I am thinking about moving into another profession. The risk has now tilting too far for the reward.

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  • Posted by: Anonymous | Time: 10:30 AM Monday, July 05, 2010

    The RRP is proving to be a knee jerk response to and a diversion away from the real culprits. I don't care how you paint it a rule that applies to and is practiced by a small percentage of the people who do the work is a waste of time and energy, its likely to do nothing to change the numbers of children with elevated blood levels and will only serve to build a stronger and more polished group of unlicensed and non compliant companies. Think of the RRP a a wake up call for our industry to finally agree and unite, the time for politics is over, the time to plan for industry standards is now. Paul Lesieur

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Ted Cushman

thumbnail image Ted Cushman attended Harvard College in Cambridge, Mass., served for 4 years as a U.S. Army paratrooper, and worked as a frame and finish carpenter for 7 years before joining the staff of The Journal of Light Construction (JLC), where he anchored the news desk for 4 years and edited technical and business feature articles. In his 15-year career as a construction photo-journalist, Ted has earned a national reputation for insightful, accurate, and practical coverage of homebuilding techniques, building science, and housing economics. Ted now covers the homebuilding industry as a freelance writer from his base in the hills of Western Massachusetts, where he lives with his wife, psychiatrist Cynthia Cushman. Ted and Cynthia have three sons (Jack, Adrian, and Isaiah).